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Post Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:39 pm

Every Artist Should Read This!

Jenchuan has mentioned this article a few times so I thought I'd post it here for everyone to read. This is so true too!!

EVERY artist should read THIS!

While browsing through the web I found this extremely interesting article, which focuses on an unfortunate reality, the one where most people don't acknowledge how valious the work of an artist is in today's market and society. I strongly advise you to read it, and will be looking forward to read your opinion on it!

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Hello business-people please read!

Every day, there are more and more CL posts seeking "artists" for everything from auto graphics to comic books to corporate logo designs. More people are finding themselves in need of some form of illustrative service.

But what they're NOT doing, unfortunately, is realizing how rare someone with these particular talents can be.

To those who are "seeking artists", let me ask you;
How many people do you know, personally, with the talent and skill to perform the services you need? A dozen? Five? One? ...none?

More than likely, you don't know any. Otherwise, you wouldn't be posting on craigslist to find them.

And this is not really a surprise.

In this country, there are almost twice as many neurosurgeons as there are professional illustrators.
There are eleven times as many certified mechanics.
There are SEVENTY times as many people in the IT field.

• So, given that they are less rare, and therefore less in demand, would it make sense to ask your mechanic to work on your car for free?

• Would you look him in the eye, with a straight face, and tell him that his compensation would be the ability to have his work shown to others as you drive down the street?

• Would you offer a neurosurgeon the "opportunity" to add your name to his resume as payment for removing that pesky tumor?
(Maybe you could offer him "a few bucks" for "materials". What a deal!)

• Would you be able to seriously even CONSIDER offering your web hosting service the chance to have people see their work, by viewing your website, as their payment for hosting you?

If you answered "yes" to ANY of the above, you're obviously insane.

If you answered "no", then kudos to you for living in the real world.

But then tell me... why would you think it is okay to live out the same, delusional, ridiculous fantasy when seeking someone whose abilities are even less in supply than these folks?

Graphic artists, illustrators, painters, etc., are skilled tradesmen.
As such, to consider them as, or deal with them as, anything less than professionals fully deserving of your respect is both insulting and a bad reflection on you as a sane, reasonable person.
In short, it makes you look like a twit.

A few things you need to know;

1. It is not a "great opportunity" for an artist to have his work seen on your car/'zine/website/bedroom wall, etc. It IS a "great opportunity" for YOU to have their work there.

2. It is not clever to seek a "student" or "beginner" in an attempt to get work for free. It's ignorant and insulting. They may be "students", but that does not mean they don't deserve to be paid for their hard work. You were a "student" once, too. Would you have taken that job at McDonalds with no pay, because you were learning essential job skills for the real world? Yes, your proposition it JUST as stupid.

3. The chance to have their name on something that is going to be seen by other people, whether it's one or one million, is NOT a valid enticement. Neither is the right to add that work to their "portfolio". They get to do those things ANYWAY, after being paid as they should. It's not compensation. It's their right, and it's a given.

4. Stop thinking that you're giving them some great chance to work. Once they skip over your silly ad, as they should, the next ad is usually for someone who lives in the real world, and as such, will pay them. There are far more jobs needing these skills than there are people who possess these skills.

5. Students DO need "experience". But they do NOT need to get it by giving their work away. In fact, this does not even offer them the experience they need. Anyone who will not/can not pay them is obviously the type of person or business they should be ashamed to have on their resume anyway. Do you think professional contractors list the "experience" they got while nailing down a loose step at their grandmother's house when they were seventeen?
If you your company or gig was worth listing as desired experience, it would be able to pay for the services it received.
The only experience they will get doing free work for you is a lesson learned in what kinds of scrubs they should not lower themselves to deal with.

6. (This one is FOR the artists out there, please pay attention.)
Some will ask you to "submit work for consideration". They may even be posingas some sort of "contest". These are almost always scams. They will take the work submitted by many artists seeking to win the "contest", or be "chosen" for the gig, and find what they like most. They will then usually have someone who works for them, or someone who works incredibly cheap because they have no originality or talent of their own, reproduce that same work, or even just make slight modifications to it, and claim it as their own.
You will NOT be paid, you will NOT win the contest. The only people who win, here, are the underhanded folks who run these ads. This is speculative, or "spec", work. It's risky at best, and a complete scam at worst. I urge you to avoid it, completely.
For more information on this subject, please visit [link]

So to artists/designers/illustrators looking for work, do everyone a favor, ESPECIALLY yourselves, and avoid people who do not intend to pay you. Whether they are "spec" gigs, or just some guy who wants a free mural on his living room walls. They need you. You do NOT need them.

And for those who are looking for someone to do work for free... please wake up and join the real world. The only thing you're accomplishing is to insult those with the skills you need. Get a clue.

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Post Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:34 pm

Thinking back I realized that I only personally know one other artist :shock: ... and he prefers to comic/cartoon drawings.

Thanks for posting this Duey, it was metioned to me before but I had no idea what it was about.
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Post Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:13 pm

THANKS DUEY!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D KEEP SPREADING THE LOVE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
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Post Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:57 pm

I get what this person is saying in regards to people trying to scam other people. But in reference to doing free work and insulting everyone who has every done something just for the experience or out of the goodness of their hearts, I have to say there is nothing wrong with it. I realize every artist struggles with what to charge in the beginning and what their time is worth and what they’re worth, but that is something every artist has to judge for themselves and figure out themselves. Comparing artists to car repairmen doesn’t make any sense. If your car breaks down you need it fixed and will be willing to pay what it takes and yes, comparing prices if possible. It’s a completely different type of service.

Don’t get me wrong every artist deserves to be paid fairly for their services. I’m not trying to belittle anyone or what they can do. Frankly, there are a lot of us (artists) out there and just because we may not know anyone personally doesn’t mean there are only a few. I’ve done some murals for people for a low price and also have done some free stuff because I did want the experience and the exposure and there was nothing wrong with it. I did not however let someone scam me or allow myself to be taken advantage of. I may be way off but from what I’ve seen to really make a nice living off of your art and be able to charge the “big bucks” you have to make a name for yourself. Meaning, people know your work, and the only way to do that is word of mouth and exposure.

Please don’t take this the wrong way; I could see some good points and warnings in what the person was saying. Yet there’s nothing wrong with being humble about your work and wanting to learn everything you can. That being said, there’s a difference between being humble and being ignorant (taken advantage of). So my opinion is – yes be aware of the scammers and the jerks trying to take advantage of you but don’t pass up an opportunity to learn and be seen.

Maybe I read the article wrong. Those are just my thoughts. :)
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Post Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:11 pm

I agree with you a 100%, Christy. :wink:
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Post Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:54 pm

I think whoever wrote that was an artist whose work didn't get appreciated enough, or maybe he fell into too many of those scams himself, and ended up with this "Holier than thou" complex. Nevertheless, whoever wrote this has some good points, and some that are a little hazy at best. Killer speech by Christy there. It's like whoever wrote the article was a motivational speaker all hyped up on caffeine (or something stronger), and Christy is like this mellow bystander saying "calm down yo" or something. haha just my interpretation :lol:
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Post Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:13 pm

:lol: :lol:

I like that interpretation podel.
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Post Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am

I totally agree with Christys speech on this!

and thanks for posting this Brian, i gotta say it is very annoying when people contact me on my website asking to do a commission for them for nothing, they sometimes make it really hard to say no. i love drawing but each one takes several weeks to complete. it's taking liberties.
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Post Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:31 pm

It seems like every few weeks someone joins this forum to "request" a tattoo drawing .... :salut: ](*,)
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Post Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:40 pm

yeah.. i haven't been here that long.. but ive been watching a while and your right.. people sign up, then want somebody to draw something for them, and that's all they ever have to say... they dont even post a stick figure drawing, or even an abstract
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 12:48 am

I read this post last week but did not reply. As I am new to drawing I have never had any experiences like this until a couple of days ago. I spent the last 5 days in the hospital with my son, he is having an extended video EEG, and I was working on a drawing when my son's neurologist came into the room. He wanted to see my drawing and asked if I would do one of him. I said sure. So, a little while later he brings me a wallet sized copied black and white photo of himself and then asked if the drawing would be done in about an hour. I almost didn't know what to say to him. Here this obviously very intelligent man actually said that, it shocked me! I did finish the drawing in 3 days. I will post it in the drawing section.
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Post Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:45 am

It surprises me that he allowed you to take 3 days to finish it.
Did you charge him for that?
Anyway, I hope your son is well.
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